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	<title>Comments on: Why the Seesmic/Ping.fm deal will cause brands a BIG problem</title>
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		<title>By: Lauren Vargas</title>
		<link>http://blendingthemix.com/2010/01/09/why-the-seesmicpingfm-deal-will-cause-brands-a-big-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-46256</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauren Vargas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As you state in your response to Loic, conversation monitoring must be followed up with real-time engagement. Organizations must move past monitoring chatter to actively listening. Our tool does have an engagement sidebar built in, as well as, workflow to assist in enterprise deployment. We know there is a lot of room to grow in this arena and are excited about what 2010 will bring!

Lauren Vargas
Community Manager at Radian6
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As you state in your response to Loic, conversation monitoring must be followed up with real-time engagement. Organizations must move past monitoring chatter to actively listening. Our tool does have an engagement sidebar built in, as well as, workflow to assist in enterprise deployment. We know there is a lot of room to grow in this arena and are excited about what 2010 will bring!</p>
<p>Lauren Vargas<br />
Community Manager at Radian6<br />
@VargasL</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Dobson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Dobson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it will cause brands a BIG problem Paul. Sure there are lots of social networks out there, but there are lots of TV channels, lots of magazines, lots of households; brands don&#039;t advertise, add advertorials or DM everyone, nor do they worry about doing so. Brands don&#039;t need to be involved in EVERY conversation about them either, or engage on every network. It&#039;s a fool&#039;s errand which simply ends up with fire-fighting, rather than addressing either the fundamental issues within an organisation which are causing negative feedback; or indeed starting up a conversation with your customers that adds value on both sides - something that can only be done by concentrating on fewer channels.

We need to move away from the presentations of 2 years ago where every SM agency showed a crazy picture of a map of social networks (that looked like it had been prepared by Industrial Light and Magic as an image of a galaxy far, far away) and said &#039;this is where the conversations about your brand are happening; where are you?&#039;. Scare tactics like that just confuse, and lead to the lack of direction from brands that you mention. Far better, as you suggest, to do a very small number well. Also better to &#039;own your own&#039;, as I did at CFS with the goodwithmoney blog. This isn&#039;t a case of taking people away from familiar territory, rather, providing them with an arena where they can talk and be heard by the brand.

Monitoring conversations - where brands &#039;earwig and jump in&#039; - I&#039;ve only ever heard positive feedback from this, assuming it&#039;s done sensitively. &quot;I mentioned this on my blog and XXX got in touch and sorted it out&quot;. One can&#039;t maintain a full, active presence on every network; trying just results in a brand chasing each and every network as it pops up. Plus it&#039;s simply not appropriate - why should Brand X be maintaining a real presence on Mumsnet, for instance? It would look a bit weird and creepy for a brand to be chatting away on there, just in case a conversation about them popped up. (And fora like Mumsnet *are* social networks; it&#039;s not just Facebook et al.)

Ultimately, of course, all of this is pointless without the flexibility of a brand to adapt and respond *fundamentally* to the feedback they&#039;re getting. Complaints on social networks come when something goes wrong, or when a complaint isn&#039;t dealt with properly (United breaks guitars, etc), or when a customer feels like they&#039;re not being listened to through the usual channels. That&#039;s the real message which brands need to absorb, adapt and therefore take advantage of. No-one would worry about 60+ social networks having conversations about how great they are, after all.

And I apologise for the extravagant use of Latin in this response. I just like the word &#039;fora&#039;...;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it will cause brands a BIG problem Paul. Sure there are lots of social networks out there, but there are lots of TV channels, lots of magazines, lots of households; brands don&#8217;t advertise, add advertorials or DM everyone, nor do they worry about doing so. Brands don&#8217;t need to be involved in EVERY conversation about them either, or engage on every network. It&#8217;s a fool&#8217;s errand which simply ends up with fire-fighting, rather than addressing either the fundamental issues within an organisation which are causing negative feedback; or indeed starting up a conversation with your customers that adds value on both sides &#8211; something that can only be done by concentrating on fewer channels.</p>
<p>We need to move away from the presentations of 2 years ago where every SM agency showed a crazy picture of a map of social networks (that looked like it had been prepared by Industrial Light and Magic as an image of a galaxy far, far away) and said &#8216;this is where the conversations about your brand are happening; where are you?&#8217;. Scare tactics like that just confuse, and lead to the lack of direction from brands that you mention. Far better, as you suggest, to do a very small number well. Also better to &#8216;own your own&#8217;, as I did at CFS with the goodwithmoney blog. This isn&#8217;t a case of taking people away from familiar territory, rather, providing them with an arena where they can talk and be heard by the brand.</p>
<p>Monitoring conversations &#8211; where brands &#8216;earwig and jump in&#8217; &#8211; I&#8217;ve only ever heard positive feedback from this, assuming it&#8217;s done sensitively. &#8220;I mentioned this on my blog and XXX got in touch and sorted it out&#8221;. One can&#8217;t maintain a full, active presence on every network; trying just results in a brand chasing each and every network as it pops up. Plus it&#8217;s simply not appropriate &#8211; why should Brand X be maintaining a real presence on Mumsnet, for instance? It would look a bit weird and creepy for a brand to be chatting away on there, just in case a conversation about them popped up. (And fora like Mumsnet *are* social networks; it&#8217;s not just Facebook et al.)</p>
<p>Ultimately, of course, all of this is pointless without the flexibility of a brand to adapt and respond *fundamentally* to the feedback they&#8217;re getting. Complaints on social networks come when something goes wrong, or when a complaint isn&#8217;t dealt with properly (United breaks guitars, etc), or when a customer feels like they&#8217;re not being listened to through the usual channels. That&#8217;s the real message which brands need to absorb, adapt and therefore take advantage of. No-one would worry about 60+ social networks having conversations about how great they are, after all.</p>
<p>And I apologise for the extravagant use of Latin in this response. I just like the word &#8216;fora&#8217;&#8230;;)</p>
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		<title>By: paul.fabretti</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul.fabretti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 09:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Loic, thanks for stopping by and taking the time to leave a comment. If there&#039;s a ping, there HAD to be a pong!

If this doesn&#039;t make me sound too much like a stalker, i&#039;ve long know who you are! I&#039;ve been on Seesmic ever since it was in private alpha. It&#039;s been interesting to watch the brand evolve into what it has become now!

As for the solution, I couldn&#039;t agree more. As you are probably well aware, things like Radian6, Techrigy allow us to monitor conversations (from a brand point of view), but responding in real time is very limited. Things like cotweet are good starters, but that is just for Twitter, so only partially effective.

Assuming (as I think will become inevitable) that more social networks will be breaking their functionality up into more consumable chunks (I guess Facebook is the key one at the moment), there should be no reason why a dashboard containing both inbound mentions and outbound publication such as you describe shouldn&#039;t be possible - a one stop shop for brands to monitor and respond to, their social channels.

Best of luck with the development!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Loic, thanks for stopping by and taking the time to leave a comment. If there&#8217;s a ping, there HAD to be a pong!</p>
<p>If this doesn&#8217;t make me sound too much like a stalker, i&#8217;ve long know who you are! I&#8217;ve been on Seesmic ever since it was in private alpha. It&#8217;s been interesting to watch the brand evolve into what it has become now!</p>
<p>As for the solution, I couldn&#8217;t agree more. As you are probably well aware, things like Radian6, Techrigy allow us to monitor conversations (from a brand point of view), but responding in real time is very limited. Things like cotweet are good starters, but that is just for Twitter, so only partially effective.</p>
<p>Assuming (as I think will become inevitable) that more social networks will be breaking their functionality up into more consumable chunks (I guess Facebook is the key one at the moment), there should be no reason why a dashboard containing both inbound mentions and outbound publication such as you describe shouldn&#8217;t be possible &#8211; a one stop shop for brands to monitor and respond to, their social channels.</p>
<p>Best of luck with the development!</p>
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		<title>By: Loic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 00:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your post which I found interesting you are raising a real issue and wanted to introduce myself, I founded Seesmic.

While I agree with you on the problem, we are also working on the solution which is to aggregate in one single screen all the feedback the brands will get from all the social networks. 

Ping is great, Seesmic is already building pong :-) In Seesmic Desktop you can already get feedback from both Twitter and Facebook at the same place and we will aggregate the feedback from all social software progressively, we want to help brands and individuals also manage the feedback so that they can interact, which I agree, is the most important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your post which I found interesting you are raising a real issue and wanted to introduce myself, I founded Seesmic.</p>
<p>While I agree with you on the problem, we are also working on the solution which is to aggregate in one single screen all the feedback the brands will get from all the social networks. </p>
<p>Ping is great, Seesmic is already building pong <img src='http://blendingthemix.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  In Seesmic Desktop you can already get feedback from both Twitter and Facebook at the same place and we will aggregate the feedback from all social software progressively, we want to help brands and individuals also manage the feedback so that they can interact, which I agree, is the most important.</p>
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